Flyer Raises Questions Over District's Academic Plans

Residents want more information on Hauppauge's application to become part of International Baccalaureate program.

Hauppauge residents attended Tuesday’s Board of Education searching for guidance on the future direction of the district’s academics.

Hauppauge Board of Education members faces a multitude of questions from residents who received an anonymous flier emblazoned with district’s logo that spoke against the school’s two-year application to the International Baccalaureate program. 

The flyer distributed primarily in the Pines Elementary School section of district included claims that the IB program would cost Hauppauge Union-Free School District thousands of dollars each year and class credits would only be accepted at European universities. It also cited “hidden agendas and under the table deals are notorious in our district.”

“I am extremely proud of this community. I do not see a room of people here screaming at us because they are upset about this flyer. There is a difference between rumor and research,” said Trustee Susan Hodosky.  

Despite a Question-and-Answer response letter by Superintendent Patricia Sullivan-Kriss, concerns lingered on the program’s academic quality in comparison to the more widely known Advanced Placement system and its costs.

Board President Ann Macaluso said district trustees have been investigating switching to the IB program as far back as 2003, researching and meeting with other Long Island high schools. Others with the IB program include nearby Northport, Commack and West Islip in addition to Locust Valley, Long Beach, Rockville Centre and Bay Shore.

The IB program would offer a two-year interdisciplinary study of six core subjects: English, a foreign language, science, math, social students and the arts. To receive an IB diploma, students would need to complete a comprehensive research paper and community service requirements.

Macaluso has undertaken personal research to determine if the IB program is suited for Hauppauge, including corresponding with several high schools and top-ranked national colleges opinion of IB in relation to AP.

“We do not prefer one over the other, but IB seems more advantageous for the student and allow them to enter with more credits than AP,” Macaluso read from Boston University letter.

Other college Macaluso corresponded with included University of Rochester of New York, Dartmouth College, Northwestern University, and New York University.

If Hauppauge is accepted as an IB school, as early as this fall, the district plans to phase out the existing AP program with the exception of one or two areas where IB does not offer courses, according to assistant superintendent James Stucchio.  

The estimated cost of retraining Haupauge teachers will cost $43,000 over three years with an ongoing fee of $9,500 a year for the program. Stucchio said it will not exceed the district’s budget for training or testing. 

Concerns were voiced over how the district will handle beginning this new program this with impending budget cuts based on Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s proposed state budget. How the school's transition would occur are in the final planning stages. 

“We will continue to do our research. We will and will continue to ask for input from the community,” Hodosky said.

School officials will host an information session on the IB program on March 7 at 8 p.m. at the Hauppauge Middle School for those concerned and with remaining questions.  

Lisa McLoughlin February 17, 2011 at 01:25 PM
Whoa ho! Bravo to whoever sent out this flier (and no, it wasn't me!) Amazing how in light of this flier, this article can appear with bold faced lies about the cost of an IB program. On average, IB costs a minimum of $200,000 per year, per school, not including teacher salaries. For beginners, the application fee alone is $23,000. The annual "membership fee" is $10,000 for a DP school. IB teacher training, which is almost NEVER held locally and must include the Principal, Librarian and IB Coordinator (an additional .5 position), costs on average $1,500 per person, per 3 day training, and there are three (3) Levels of training. Hauppauge isn't far from me. I just may take a little drive out to your meeting on March 7th to provide taxpayers with the Truth About IB. Do NOT allow your district to drop AP courses in favor of IB. You will be doing your students a tremendous disservice, as well as the taxpayers. http://truthaboutib.com/
Lisa McLoughlin February 17, 2011 at 01:40 PM
I just looked at the response letter from the district, and I don't have time to rebut all of the misinformation your district sent out, but I will begin with this: FALSE: "There is a one-time student application fee of $132.00 if a student elects to take the full IB Diploma Programme. This fee is not paid by the student if he/she elects to take (like AP) only select IB courses. There is also a $92.00 fee for each IB subject test." TRUE: For all students who take either the full IB Diploma or a SINGLE IB exam, there is a $141 student "registration fee", plus a fee of $96 for a SINGLE IB exam. That's $237, compared to $86 for an AP exam (2011 prices). Expect IB rates to rise, as they have increased every single year. http://truthaboutib.com/howmuchdoesibcost/ibfees.html Now, you might want to ask yourself a couple of questions, such as, "How many students will actually go out for the full IB Diploma, compared to the huge number of students who will be pushed into stand-alone IB courses which will replace your current Honors and AP courses? Why would the district charge the full Diploma students the registration fee and bill the taxpayers for the huge sum for all of the Certificate students? If you have 400 non-diploma students signing up for a single IB class, that comes to a tidy sum of $56,400 PER YEAR added to your general budget for IB registration fees alone!
Lisa McLoughlin February 17, 2011 at 01:56 PM
Interesting how this article fails to mention the most controversial mandatory component of the IB Diploma - its Theory of Knowledge, or TOK course. Please review some of the actual course documents used in Bedford HS in NH and see if this is something you believe should be taught in an American public school: http://truthaboutib.com/theibhiddencurriculum/ibtokcurriculum.html
Mary McGarr February 18, 2011 at 01:00 AM
IB is a political indoctrination scheme, not an academic program. If you can't tell the difference by reading their materials, then it probably won't matter what happens to your children if they're in it.
IB BEEN THERE, AND I GOT A BAD TASTE IN MY MOUTH February 18, 2011 at 01:19 AM
Here we go again! Maybe this next scenerio will enlighten someone... By chance I ran into a IB math teacher who happens to have a child attend the school where she teaches. She also has a child at the school where my youngest child attends school so from time to time, I do run into her. This time, again, the IB teacher is asking me how to help HER with the "IB System". Her daughter is dyslexic and the IB Coordinator will not fill out the forms to allow her daughter extra time on IB exams. Her daughter has these rights under US law for all of her classroom work and the IB Coordinator refuses to fill out a form for a child with a disability. This is a very easy process. My older son was granted extra time without inquiry from me or my son. While we do live in a different county and it was a different IB Coordinator, the IB Charter spells it out for all to see. The IB Coordinator , who this teacher reports to, should be held accountable...but there is no one to do it. The district has no responsibility, the US GOVERNMENT, Dept. of Education has NO authority in the IB program...and the IBO will repeat their mantra, "GO BACK TO THE SCHOOL TO RESOLVE YOUR CONCERNS". On another note, her daughter was accepted into Auburn University and guess what...got ZERO college credit for her four years of IB torture. Her mother, the teacher, the IB math teacher cannot understand that all the hard work did not result in even a scholarship offer. Don't be blind! Keep your $$$ in the USA.
Lisa McLoughlin February 18, 2011 at 01:33 AM
Correction: AP exams now cost $87 per subject.
IB BEEN THERE, AND I GOT A BAD TASTE IN MY MOUTH February 18, 2011 at 01:38 AM
There you have it......and you wonder why colleges are jumping OFF the IB bandwagon. What comes to mind is the tried and true bumper sticker..."If you think education is expensive, try ignorance". Long Islanders must be flush with cash.....I can't remember a day that Long Islanders haven't complained about their taxes......so now the LIers will listen to the IB LIars.....what a pair!
marvin24 February 18, 2011 at 02:14 AM
(quote)"We will continue to ask for * input* from the community,” Hodosky said.(end quote) INPUT via YOUR TAXES!!! The only kind of input a schoolboard wants from the taxpayers regarding socialist curriculum is YOUR TAX MONEY. They will, without the consent of the residents of this district, RAISE YOUR TAXES to pay for this dogma!!! Don't let them do it folks. RIDE these school board members with your objections and harangue them with the TRUTH. IB is a waste of money and bad for the country.
Jane Doe February 18, 2011 at 02:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT1eZUazGPw We are fighting it in our town too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTI0osj4W9w This has divided the community because we understand that our money is going to a corrupted UN front organization. THe US Congress is holding hearings to cut funding to the UN because it's anti-American, pro-marxist, and corrupt. THE IBO is partnered with the UN Do they teach US History? NO, they teach your kids to be world citizens clueless of American history and civics. They refer teachers and students to marxists as good sources of info. You will get soft propaganda fed to your kids daily. Don't do it!
IB BEEN THERE, AND I GOT A BAD TASTE IN MY MOUTH February 18, 2011 at 03:22 PM
Please note that in most other countries, the IB program is run by private schools...and guess who pays them...the US Government. Yes, Long Island, you are already paying for these schools and you know what, all Americans are paying for this because children of servicemen/women who are based internationally get enrolled in these schools. Although it is not perfect, it is far better than other alternatives worldwide..so why is it that in the US some want to buy into a program that is viewed as the lesser of evils by Americans overseas. Why is this program exaulted in the US in some communities. Why is it that more and more families are preferring to stay US based than be deployed with the servicewoman/man...TOK...what a waste of time....my son was told in Bradenton, Florida by his TOK teacher that if he just showed up for class, participated in class he would get an "A". The IB program makes the IB coordinator a dictator to the teachers, parents and students. The district will have no control over the administration of policies...well, they will chose not to get involved...your children will be forced to do ridiculous amounts of "rigorous" work...translated..stupid, repetitive, bulk garbage vs. what China might consider "rigorous"...do not perceive this program as accepted by the global community.....this organization has dillusions of grandeur...they are the biggest scam and mind control that has ever been allowed to exist...Homeland security should check these guys out!
Lisa McLoughlin February 18, 2011 at 05:23 PM
DHS checks my website regularly. The Obama regime is in bed with IBO and Soros. So is DHS.
Ronnie White February 18, 2011 at 05:31 PM
IB with its Theory of Knowledge, world citizen’s view and compulsory service requirements is just another program forcing our young people into the Humanist Worldview. IB is an International Academic program with its roots in the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization, a branch of the United Nations. Their Humanist worldview is taught from a non-Christian perspective and some will be taught from an anti-Christian perspective. These programs will effectively bring YOUR students the Humanist style teaching of most colleges. What has this type of instruction at the college level done for America? Family values are trashed in favor of coed dorm "new morality," "safe sex" kits, trial marriage arrangements, feminist and homosexual values. Atheism, agnosticism, nihilism and despair attack religious values, and social values are replaced by radical politics, Marxism, socialism, etc.
Sara Walsh (Editor) February 19, 2011 at 07:29 PM
Posted by request of Cindy A. who e-mailed Patch after technical difficulties posting: "Those residents who received a flier, which btw was placed illegally in my mailbox - should investigate the issue thoroughly and with an open mind. The flier has no author, which I find extremely questionable. Why wouldn't you want to take responsibility for passing along supposedly valid information to your neighbors? The previous commenter admits she is not a resident of our community -- why is she so adamant? The "movement" against the idea is ideological, cloaked in economic language. Educate yourselves. Do you see the responses from the people above? NONE OF THESE FOLKS ARE FROM OUR COMMUNITY, STATE OR COUNTRY!!!!!! Now it is a discussion to de-fund the United Nations. If you are going to make a decision, get the facts from unbiased sources and be responsible about it. "
Lisa McLoughlin February 20, 2011 at 12:32 AM
Dear Cindy A., Actually, I am a fellow Long Islander and resident of the Locust Valley School District. Master Sergeant Ronnie White is not a New Yorker, but he most certainly is a fellow American and is currently the Jr. ROTC instructor in his district in MO which is embroiled in IB controversy. Ann Marie B. is from NH, which last time I checked, is still part of the U.S. and is the fine lady speaking in the You Tube video she linked. As I said, I don't know who distributed the anti-IB flier in your area, nor have I seen it. I wish this article included a copy of it so I could check for misinformation. You are correct, fliers without postage should never be placed in anyone's mailbox. That said, I can understand an individual's desire to remain anonymous and even their fear of taking an anti-IB stand. In Upper St. Clair, PA, the duly elected Board Trustees who voted IB out were sued by the ACLU on behalf of IB supporters. Police had to be called to the meetings. Board trustees received death threats. Their mailboxes were bashed, their children harassed .... all because they voted out IB. As the administrator of Truth About IB, I can tell you I received hundreds of hateful e-mails following the publication of my website in an article, even though I was not personally named: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/03/education/03baccalaureate.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1 And yes, that is the same Ann Marie. It's not easy fighting the NWO. ;-)
Lisa McLoughlin February 20, 2011 at 01:23 AM
I would also like to reach out to whoever did distribute the flier to please contact me at info@truthaboutib.com to become a part of our nationwide network of parents, teachers and taxpayers dealing with the IB issue in their public schools.
IB BEEN THERE, AND I GOT A BAD TASTE IN MY MOUTH February 20, 2011 at 02:21 AM
Dear Cind A., We left the New York area and Long Island was as a result of high taxation. Thankfully, schools that are not teaching the IB trash, they still believe that New York, specifically, Long Island is part of the United States...so is Florida... a state that usually is neck and neck with California for the most IB programs. Don't be afraid of the truth...be afraid of the slick IB sales people...we don't need to take our info from Wikipedia to make tests...we don't need to plagarize a speech...both of which is has been done by the IB program and executives....we can usuallyuncover the paid,yes, I said paid contributors by the IBO to these type of forums to invalidate the truth....they show up with a grand entrance but they are quickly exposed to those of us who know their playbook. I enter my two cents into these forums so that others may not suffer the indignation my family has at the hands of the IBO, et al. My son has initiated a Federal investigation by the US Department of Education regarding the administration of the IB program and the IB Coordinator who did not follow ADA Regulations.....as mandated by US law...he was not given the accommodations that the IBO had already agreed to and they had put in writing...some have been burned in the pocketbook, our family on the other hand has walked through the fire, been burned and we will continue to tell others..we must....the truth will set you free...be open to those who have nothing to gain...those of us who care.
gene birkeland February 20, 2011 at 05:56 PM
Yes, I am also not a resident of NY, but as an American I am concerned about the future citizens of our country -- that they should not be subjected to Pavlovian mind-conditioning in the public schools to turn them into world citizens which has been the goal from the very beginning. Now I find the IB program being introduced into this very small town in the West where I live and being deceptively represented. Many years ago I was the Secretary to the Emergency Committee Against UNESCO in LA Schools, but the problem was the program was an attitude which was incorporated into textbooks and still does, but that was when disparagement of our nation's founding documents began and continues. And IB's parents discuss getting rid of nationalism in favor of internationalism, ergo, no more Washington's birthday remembrance for just one thing. Memorializing Earth Day, etc. Carried to its fullest extent the schools will produce brain dead global citizens. Gene Birkeland, AZ


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